Legislature(2007 - 2008)SENATE FINANCE 532

03/13/2007 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE


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9:28:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     SENATE BILL NO. 81                                                                                                         
     "An  Act extending  the termination  date for  the Board  of                                                               
     Certified  Direct-Entry  Midwives;   and  providing  for  an                                                               
     effective date."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This was the first hearing for this bill in the Senate Finance                                                                  
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman announced intent to report this bill from                                                                      
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:28:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RICHARD BENEVIDES, Staff to Senator Bettye Davis, sponsor of the                                                                
bill, read the sponsor statement into the record as follows.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Senate  Bill 81  extends the  sunset  date of  the Board  of                                                               
     Certified  Direct-Entry Midwives  until  June  30, 2015,  in                                                               
     accordance  with  the  recommendations  of  the  Legislative                                                               
     Auditor. The legislative auditor  has concluded the Board of                                                               
     Certified   Direct-Entry   Midwives  meets   the   statutory                                                               
     requirements of  public need  and is  in compliance  with AS                                                               
     08.01.065(c), which requires  occupational licensing fees to                                                               
     cover the regulatory costs of that occupation.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     The board  has served as  a means to make  people practicing                                                               
     Midwifery  aware of  the level  of experience  and education                                                               
     expected of them.  It consists of five  members appointed by                                                               
     the Governor: one public  member, two certified direct-entry                                                               
     midwives  (CDMs),  one  certified  nurse  midwife,  and  one                                                               
     physician licensed by the Alaska  State Medical Board who is                                                               
     either  an obstetrician  or  who  has specialized  obstetric                                                               
     training.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Their   duties    include   examining    and   certificating                                                               
     applicants,  permitting  apprentices, holding  hearings  and                                                               
     ordering   disciplinary   sanctions.   They   maintain   all                                                               
     educational  records;   approve  curricula,   training,  and                                                               
     programs  for direct  entry midwives  and apprentices.  They                                                               
     have  worked proactively  to ensure  that public  safety has                                                               
     been maintained while improving  the profession of Midwives.                                                               
     They have  successfully incorporated  Certified Professional                                                               
     Midwife  standards  into   Alaska's  Certified  Direct-Entry                                                               
     Midwives  licensing program  and  worked with  the State  to                                                               
     establish  Medicaid  procedures  for CDM  services,  thereby                                                               
     placing Alaska  among eight states which  both license their                                                               
     traditional midwives and  provide Medicaid reimbursement for                                                               
     their services. They  continue to work to  create and revise                                                               
     regulations  that   ensure  proper  training   and  increase                                                               
     educational requirements.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Women  seeking an  alternative to  hospital care  for normal                                                               
     pregnancy and  birth rely on  the diligence of the  board to                                                               
     enhance  both   the  quality  and  accessibility   of  their                                                               
     healthcare. We urge your support on passage of this bill.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:30:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Benevides informed that approximately ten percent of all                                                                    
births in Alaska are done through midwifery. Additionally,                                                                      
membership on this board has the highest licensing fee.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:31:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  cited a letter  to the Division  of Legislative                                                               
Audit  from  Dana  Brown, Chair  of  the  Certified  Direct-Entry                                                               
Midwives Board dated  October 26, 2006 and included  in the audit                                                               
report [copy  on file] on page  17. The text of  the letter reads                                                               
as follows.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     This is written in response  to the preliminary audit report                                                               
     concerning the  Board of Certified Direct-entry  Midwives. I                                                               
     concur with  the recommendation that the  legislature extend                                                               
     the  termination date  of the  board  to June  30, 2015.  My                                                               
     conclusions are  the same as  those in the audit  report. In                                                               
     the Analysis  of Public Need  section on page 8,  it implies                                                               
     that  the  board  increased certification  requirements  for                                                               
     apprentice  direct-entry supervisors.  We tried  to do  this                                                               
     but were unable  to change regulation because  of wording in                                                               
     statute.  Someday the  Midwives Association  of Alaska  will                                                               
     need to  go to  the legislature and  try to  get legislation                                                               
     passed to  change wording in  statute so that  certain regs.                                                               
     can be  addressed. I concur with  the rest of the  report. I                                                               
     am very pleased with the report.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE 9:32:14 AM / 9:32:23 AM                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Benevides  was unaware of specific  regulatory changes sought                                                               
by the Board.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:32:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson asked the number of licensees in the State.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:32:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Benevides deferred to the Division of Legislative Audit.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:32:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAT  DAVIDSON, Director,  Division of  Legislative Audit,  listed                                                               
the number  of Certified Direct-Entry Midwife  (CDM) licensees at                                                               
the end  of 2006 as 28  and the number of  registered apprentices                                                               
at that time as eight.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson asked  the number of births and the  number of "bad                                                               
outcomes".                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:33:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Davidson did  not know the number of births  performed or the                                                               
number   of  negative   outcomes.   The   Division  reviews   the                                                               
investigations conducted by  the Board and the  outcomes of those                                                               
investigations. It found that investigations  were conducted in a                                                               
timely manner and with satisfactory outcomes.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:34:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  asked if any disciplinary  actions against members                                                               
were taken in the past year.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:34:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Davidson did not know.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson asked  the number of disciplinary  actions taken in                                                               
the history of the Board.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:34:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Davidson again did not  have the information, but assured she                                                               
would research the matter.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:34:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson  asked  if Certified  Direct-Entry  Midwives  have                                                               
authority to prescribe any medication.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:35:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Davidson did not know.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:35:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Benevides  interjected  that midwives  are  prohibited  from                                                               
practicing unless  they are  located within  a certain  number of                                                               
miles  to   a  practicing  doctor.  Additionally,   midwives  are                                                               
prohibited from performing any  "medically difficult" births. The                                                               
last disciplinary action taken by  the Board was against a person                                                               
practicing without a license.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:35:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  asked about the continuing  education requirements                                                               
and  whether  those requirements  have  changed  in recent  years                                                               
similar to changes imposed by the State medical board.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:36:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Benevides  could not  speak  to  the details  of  continuing                                                               
education requirements.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:36:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  asked  Ms. Davidson's  recommendation  on  the                                                               
aforementioned need for statutory changes.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:36:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Davidson did  not  have adequate  information  to provide  a                                                               
complete  answer.  The  Division  determines  whether  boards  or                                                               
commissions are able  to "carry out their  business" and "leaves"                                                               
necessary  statutory  changes  to  the  board  or  commission  to                                                               
pursue.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:37:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman,  noting that  the  Board  was operating  at  a                                                               
deficit,  asked   whether  the   license  fee  rates   should  be                                                               
reevaluated.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:38:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Davidson directed  attention to Exhibit 1 of  the Analysis of                                                               
Public  Need on  page  9 of  the  audit report.  Exhibit  1 is  a                                                               
spreadsheet  titled, "Board  of Certified  Direct-Entry Midwives,                                                               
Schedule of License  Revenues and Board Expenditures, FY  03 - FY                                                               
06, (Unaudited)". Fees  are levied on a two-year  basis, with the                                                               
Board receiving most  revenue every second year,  including FY 05                                                               
and FY 03. The lesser  revenue generated in the intervening years                                                               
should be adequate to sustain  the program through that year. The                                                               
greater amounts collected in subsequent  years have been utilized                                                               
to  reduce the  cumulative  deficit. She  highlighted the  Ending                                                               
Cumulative Deficits  for FY  03: $8,188; FY  04: $45,026;  FY 05:                                                               
$13,000; and  FY 06:  $24,395. This pattern  of reduction  to the                                                               
deficit would continue as fee  rates would be unchanged for 2007.                                                               
The  balance  should  be zero  barring  any  unforeseen  spending                                                               
increases, and at that time the fee should be reduced.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Davidson informed  that expenditures  "spiked"  in 2002  and                                                               
2003 primarily  in contractual costs  with the Department  of Law                                                               
and for investigations.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:40:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman  asked   about  the   high  litigation   costs                                                               
referenced in the audit report.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:40:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Davidson pointed out that  statute requires that occupational                                                               
boards must  be self  financed. Therefore,  the board  incurs the                                                               
costs associated with investigations,  legal actions and drafting                                                               
of new  legislation. The increased  costs incurred by  this board                                                               
do not  cause "particular concern".  A board with as  few members                                                               
as  the  Board  of  Certified   Direct-Entry  Midwives  has  high                                                               
licensing fees.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:41:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Thomas  asked why the  personal services  and contractual                                                               
expenses of FY 03 and FY 04 were higher than FY 05 and FY 06.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:42:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Davidson  responded that the contractual  costs are comprised                                                               
of  legal fees  involving investigations.  She could  not address                                                               
the disparities in the personnel services costs.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:42:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Thomas, citing  page 10  of  the audit,  noted that  the                                                               
Division  of  Occupational  Licensing,  Department  of  Commerce,                                                               
Community  and Economic  Development,  opened nine  investigative                                                               
cases during the period of July  2002 and June 2006 pertaining to                                                               
the Board of Certified Direct-Entry  Midwives. He asked if any of                                                               
these  investigations  were  ongoing  at this  time  and  whether                                                               
additional  legal  fees  associated   with  the  complaints  were                                                               
expected.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:43:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Davidson had no direct  information. Fees associated with the                                                               
investigative  cases depend  on  the direction  each case  takes.                                                               
Investigation and  legal fees concern all  boards and commissions                                                               
because their expense  requires license fees to  "swing" from one                                                               
year  to the  next. However,  these boards  and commissions  must                                                               
deal with the costs of investigations and be self sufficient.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:44:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elton,  returning to the  letter from the Board  Chair on                                                               
page 17  of the  audit report, suggested  "cognitive differences"                                                               
exist  between the  understanding of  the Board  and that  of the                                                               
Division of Legislative  Audit. He cited a finding on  page 12 of                                                               
the audit, which reads as follows.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     It appears  that the board  has effectively  and efficiently                                                               
     obtained   its  objectives   and   purposes.  In   proposing                                                               
     regulatory  changes,  the board  has  worked  to ensure  the                                                               
     objective of  the regulation is  clearly defined.  They have                                                               
     provided  for consistent  language throughout  the Certified                                                               
     Direct-Entry  Midwives  regulations  and  have  updated  the                                                               
     regulations  and  statutes to  reflect  new  changes in  the                                                               
     professional  environment.   Evidence  suggests   the  board                                                               
     establishes and meets its operational objectives annually.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elton surmised  that the audit report deems  the Board to                                                               
be  solely responsible  for  drafting  legislation, although  the                                                               
Board   itself  is   "complaining"  that   it  could   not  draft                                                               
regulations.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elton commented  that he supports this  Board. Members of                                                               
the profession have not protested the amount of the licenses.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:45:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Davidson would  discuss the matter with the  Board Chair. The                                                               
Board claims it  could not draft regulations because  it does not                                                               
have statutory  authority. However,  the Division  of Legislative                                                               
Audit has determined the Board does have sufficient authority.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:46:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Huggins asked if a  "clear message" could be gleaned from                                                               
the number  and types of complaints  filed, as listed on  page 10                                                               
of the audit.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:46:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Davidson  perceived  no  clear   message.  The  Division  of                                                               
Legislative  Audit  reviews the  types  of  complaints and  their                                                               
source.  Because most  of the  complaints  were filed  by a  Peer                                                               
Review Committee  member (67 percent) or  by another governmental                                                               
agency (22  percent), the  issues were  primarily administrative,                                                               
such as incomplete applications.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:47:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  pointed out  the current  licensing fee  of $2,088                                                               
and asked whether  the profession had "any relief  in sight" that                                                               
could  encourage  more  people  to  enter  the  midwifery  field.                                                               
Midwifery offered a "nice option"  for those physicians unwilling                                                               
or unable  to perform  births due  to high  malpractice insurance                                                               
rates.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:48:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Davidson  responded  that  the license  fees  could  not  be                                                               
reduced because the governing Board must be self sufficient.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:48:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Benevides  recalled  testimony   provided  in  the  previous                                                               
committee  of  referral  on  this  bill  from  a  CDM  expressing                                                               
willingness to  pay the large  amount because that  person "loved                                                               
their job".  This midwife  was reassured  that the  activities of                                                               
those in the profession were overseen by the Board.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Benevides informed  of two  different regulations  published                                                               
the  prior   month  pertaining  to  reimbursement   and  facility                                                               
reimbursement   for   Certified  Direct-Entry   Midwives.   Those                                                               
regulations could be  the same as those referenced  in the letter                                                               
by the  Board Chair. A new  set of proposed regulations  has also                                                               
been opened to public comment.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:50:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Huggins, referring  to  Senator  Olson's statement  that                                                               
some doctor's  could be unable  to afford  malpractice insurance,                                                               
hypothesized that  a "lower profile  of litigation"  could result                                                               
in lower insurance rates for  midwives. Senator Huggins commented                                                               
in the  irony that the  "least qualified" professionals  with the                                                               
"highest risk" would have the lowest profile.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:51:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson corrected  any  misinterpretation  of his  earlier                                                               
remarks  asserting that  midwives  are "very  well trained"  with                                                               
skill  levels equal  to many  doctors.  Midwives do  no have  the                                                               
ability to  perform surgery and  therefore are unable  to perform                                                               
cesarean section births.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:51:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Huggins asked the type  of insurance carried by Certified                                                               
Direct-Entry Midwives.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:51:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Benevides was  unsure. Because  of "law  structure" midwives                                                               
are not allowed to participate in high risk pregnancies.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:52:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson shared  that CDMs  normally  participate in  group                                                               
insurance  coverage.   License  fees   are  often  paid   by  the                                                               
corporation  that  employs the  midwife  or  the organization  in                                                               
which the midwife practices.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:52:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dyson  suggested  that   the  discussion  on  this  bill                                                               
highlighted a policy issue.  The Legislature's determination that                                                               
all boards  and commissions must  be financially  self sufficient                                                               
could  provide   an  adverse  incentive   for  these   boards  to                                                               
adequately  "police"  their  members. Investigations  increase  a                                                               
board's operating  costs and licensure fees  must subsequently be                                                               
increased. This  issue is most  predominant in the  mental health                                                               
boards, as  the boards that  have prosecuted the most  cases also                                                               
have the  highest license fees.  As a  result new members  to the                                                               
mental health care profession consider  joining boards with lower                                                               
fees. This reduces  the membership on the  boards that diligently                                                               
pursue the conduct of its professionals.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:54:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Huggins  offered  a  motion  to  report  the  bill  from                                                               
Committee  with   individual  recommendations   and  accompanying                                                               
fiscal note.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
There  was no  objection and  SB 81  was REPORTED  from Committee                                                               
with  zero  fiscal  note  #1 from  the  Department  of  Commerce,                                                               
Community and Economic Development.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE 9:54:53 AM / 9:56:35 AM                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                

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